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Offline YHB

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Aging White Spirits
« on: July 22, 2017, 10:36:25 AM »
Lots of info here about aging booze on Oak, but what is your the regime for aging White Rum?

Is there any advantage in aging at "barrel strength" if it is not in contact with wood?
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Re: Aging White Spirits
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2017, 06:02:02 PM »
There are a few basic ways to age white rum

1/ store it in a container about 3/4 full and give it regular attention - remove the stopper and agitate/shake as often as practical.  Keep it warm to speed up the process.
 
2/ same effect as above but accelerated by using an air pump with a diffuser - eg an aquarium pump with a S/S aerator.  - You can also combine 1/ and 2/ obviously.  Run the air pump for a few hours every second day - take a sample beforehand and compare with the aerated product as time goes on.  When I do it I use a copper tube embedded in a conical RTV silicone stopper moulded in a plastic funnel - suits any size container neck and the mass keeps a decent seal but still allows the pumped air to be expelled.  Mark the level of the product on the container before starting (if possible) and keep an eye on losses as pumping will increase evaporation losses.  Be aware also that pumping can strip some flavour - Overall though it's a very valuable smoothing technique     

3/  Age on old oak and charcoal filter to remove colour - this approach will smooth the product but also trim the flavour.  If you use old oak you can also leave on just long enough to form gold rum which is a good balance between white and dark, then remove the oak and leave it for a further period if needed.

In terms of ABV - I'd leave it at cask strength as the reactions will occur more rapidly than those at bottle strength.  If not on oak, you could also leave it at still strength but your evaporation losses will be higher.

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Re: Aging White Spirits
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2017, 11:25:35 PM »
There are a few basic ways to age white rum

1/ store it in a container about 3/4 full and give it regular attention - remove the stopper and agitate/shake as often as practical.  Keep it warm to speed up the process.
 
2/ same effect as above but accelerated by using an air pump with a diffuser - eg an aquarium pump with a S/S aerator.  - You can also combine 1/ and 2/ obviously.  Run the air pump for a few hours every second day - take a sample beforehand and compare with the aerated product as time goes on.  When I do it I use a copper tube embedded in a conical RTV silicone stopper moulded in a plastic funnel - suits any size container neck and the mass keeps a decent seal but still allows the pumped air to be expelled.  Mark the level of the product on the container before starting (if possible) and keep an eye on losses as pumping will increase evaporation losses.  Be aware also that pumping can strip some flavour - Overall though it's a very valuable smoothing technique     

3/  Age on old oak and charcoal filter to remove colour - this approach will smooth the product but also trim the flavour.  If you use old oak you can also leave on just long enough to form gold rum which is a good balance between white and dark, then remove the oak and leave it for a further period if needed.

In terms of ABV - I'd leave it at cask strength as the reactions will occur more rapidly than those at bottle strength.  If not on oak, you could also leave it at still strength but your evaporation losses will be higher.

Experiment, experiment, observe, observe  ..have fun ;)

     

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Re: Aging White Spirits
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2017, 05:30:01 AM »
1. Put it in a bottle.
2. Leave it there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2017, 04:45:23 PM »
Thanks All, :D

1. Put it in a bottle.
2. Leave it there.

Tried that but I never found it works very well for me, probably I have just not left it long enough.

As I work my way through a bottle, the taste improves as I get nearer the bottom. I keep saying it is aging as I drink it but when I start a new bottle it is never as good as the end of the previous one. So to me aging must be more than just leaving it for a period of time

I have made wine for many years and I have it in my mindset that bottles and demijohns should be full to minimise oxidation. I have now broken that link and am stroring / aging as EucyBlues suggests in 3/4 full containers.

I am achieving the agitation by pouring the contents back and forth between two containers every couple of days.

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2017, 05:05:49 PM »
Do not close the bottles,just put some cotton on top.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2017, 05:10:56 PM »

Look this maker of the highest quality does it  , look into the movie and see the shells  full of bottles all with air space.
A big WHAAW factor this the finest all most as good as us  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2017, 08:33:57 AM »
Do not close the bottles,just put some cotton on top.

K3 - that's ok for a short while - but not ok for longer term aging as the losses are too great. 

YHB - decanting is OK but not necessary provided you can exchange air and agitate - ie - open, slosh around to pump the air and then close the cap and shake vigorously will do the trick.

Another whacky possible way I haven't tried is to pour a portion of the brew into a suitable container and hit it with a stick blender

A fair bit of work has also been done on micro-bubble aging with ultrasonics

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2017, 02:55:14 PM »
I really enjoyed that video K3

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2017, 09:33:55 PM »
Fine Swedish,and thanks ,very seldom you see a specialist buzy,I was impressed and he started as a autodidact, and also started from the bottom,just by his other kind of thinking he got this succes.

What Eucyblues says is true ultra sonic gives a very smooth result without violating with the complexity of your product,like adding a air stone or leave uncovered for a long time.

A friend just received a silver medal on the prof tasting concours in London,his believe ,not only his product what was good at the beginning but also the way he treated it with ulta sonic was part of the succes.
I will post a link to his website.
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2017, 03:07:33 PM »
works for me, the jenever tickles my interest.
Somethign to explore down the line.

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Re: Aging White Spirits
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2017, 02:07:10 AM »
Eucyblues first reply nailed it for me. 

Only thing I would add,  I like to include some late heads in the white spirit,  by the time it has aired out (via any of those methods), you wont have the heads smell or taste but will leave some additional flavour.  If the cut is too narrow before aging it can taste a little bland a few months down the line.

Some early tails can add an interesting flavour profile,  these don't really clean up with airing alone,  but non-distillers seem to really like a little bit of early tails,  I personally am less keen on this in white rum,  but if aging on oak its can be nice after a looooong time aging.

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2017, 02:52:46 AM »
Eucyblues first reply nailed it for me. 

Only thing I would add,  I like to include some late heads in the white spirit,  by the time it has aired out (via any of those methods), you wont have the heads smell or taste but will leave some additional flavour.  If the cut is too narrow before aging it can taste a little bland a few months down the line.

Some early tails can add an interesting flavour profile,  these don't really clean up with airing alone,  but non-distillers seem to really like a little bit of early tails,  I personally am less keen on this in white rum,  but if aging on oak its can be nice after a looooong time aging.

I was reading that the early rum tails are bad,and the late tails are good around 20% there are the most rum oils,BUT I just write down here what I was reading on another forum by someone experianced in making rum .....in case of rum I am a greenhorn  8)

The whole idea to bring in late heads and early tails avoid a flat rum thats for shure a good thing if you got the time.

As you speak about looooong time aging do we have to think abou 1 year or much longer ????
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Re: Aging White Spirits
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2017, 08:55:11 AM »
I was reading that the early rum tails are bad,and the late tails are good around 20% there are the most rum oils,BUT I just write down here what I was reading on another forum by someone experianced in making rum .....in case of rum I am a greenhorn  8)

The whole idea to bring in late heads and early tails avoid a flat rum thats for shure a good thing if you got the time.

As you speak about looooong time aging do we have to think abou 1 year or much longer ????

Aging on oak is really hard to predict. Too many factors to consider.
For rum I'd think 2 years minimum before sampling.

Just a few of the variables to consider...
Size of barrel. New or used. If using glass jugs and oak sticks... amount of oak and depth of char.
The ABV of the barrel contents before and after aging.
Temperatures that the casks were exposed to.
Product composition - amount of heads and tails added for 'complexity'.

I'm currently sipping 5 year old rum from Old Ruhm Jamaica and it is quite nice.
I'd love to be able to copy that.
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2017, 11:53:47 AM »

...... I'd think 2 years minimum before sampling.


Is this realistic or just wishfull thinking ::), I for one will admit that I am not that strong willed.  :D
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2017, 12:02:11 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2017, 12:35:09 PM »
Is this realistic or just wishfull thinking ::), I for one will admit that I am not that strong willed.  :D

I was told long ago that the only way to properly age whisk(e)y was to keep making more than you could possibly drink.
I figure its more about production than it is discipline.

Hiding a few jugs and not finding them until moving day a few years later also helps.
I scored a couple of jugs full of goodness that way that had actual DUST covering the outside!
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2017, 01:09:01 PM »
Brings us back to Shifu' methode,take the golden middle and age the rest.
2 years sounds awefull  ;) long.


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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2017, 02:46:36 PM »
Brings us back to Shifu' methode,take the golden middle and age the rest.
2 years sounds awefull  ;) long.

what you do is you run out 8l after cuts, 4 liters to age for a very long time , 2 l white, 2 l short time aging.

and put one an other wash to keep the 2l pots topped up.

and an other.


I'm a perfect example of do as i say not as i do as I've never followed my own advice, i tend to still sporadically when I'm running low. and then sit on my couch and guzzle it all down and then panic still again